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T O P I C R E V I E WAstro keenThe title should read thus: Number patterns in placements of planets or asteroidsSome asteroids in my natal strike me as having a particular resonance and I was struck by how their placements had repeated numbers or number patterns. For example, I have the following:St. Michel - 22.22 (4th house)Skuld - 13.13Apollo - 14.14 Sag - at the GA (5th house )Thekla - 22.22.22Aphrodite - 16.16 (now sure if this is significant though)There are others but I would have to investigate further - look into the seconds count as well. I'm not sure how some of the above would look if seconds were included.Has anyone noticed this in their placements?Astro keenOk, the seconds number does not maintain the pattern except for Thekla. So, if I round up to the nearest minute then I just get the following:St. Michel - 22.22 conjunct Ambrosia at 22.11Skuld - 13.13Apollo - 14.14 Sag Thekla - 22.22I rounded up when the seconds were 30 or more, while I left the minutes number as it was when the seconds were between 0 to 29. This maintains the half way mark which we use for decimal numbers, where 50 plus means rounding up. I hope that makes sense. I also have this:Euphemia 23.22.23And my bf has Reiki at 12.21.21It is interesting to note that these number patterns apply to spiritual asteroids, saints and angels. So I'm becoming convinced that the numbers have a significance.GeminiKarat quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:It is interesting to note that these number patterns apply to spiritual asteroids, saints and angels. So I'm becoming convinced that the numbers have a significance.I will second that as it is my experience as well.My ateroid Karma is 1*01' away from asteroid spirit.Doreen Virtue says:101This number signifies fundamental spiritual teachings: As you “let go and let God,” your thoughts automatically become more positive, and this elevated vibration attracts all good things into your life. I find it as an good advice on how to work on this opposition.Apart from that you have the Sabian symbols ordered by numbers and some degrees in the zodiac are replaced by a name. e.g. anarchic degree.The degree of influence of the number on the planet is unknown to me, but it is definitely worth to have a look at it.Astro keenSo the number points to the specific importance of that asteroid or planet for the person. For example, Saint Michael is on 22.22. He has been important in my life as I have had channelled messages for several years thru a friend. Now 22 is meant to be a MASTER NUMBER. "Angel Number 22 encourages you to work diligently on your spiritual life path and soul purpose.' Now who could argue with that! Certainly that is what the channelled messages were about. Let's look at Apollo at 14.14 at the GA. - According to the site - http://sacredscribesangelnumbers.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/angel-number-1414.html, Angel Number 1414 is a reminder to maintain a positive attitude and optimistic outlook to attract positive energies. Again generally good advice which goes with the meaning of Apollo, a very positive asteroid, that too at the GA. Perhaps being optimistic is of particular importance and will set into motion the potentials contained therein. One can but speculate . GeminiKaratI need to find better words and post it tomorrow.GemBird82I no longer believe in what is called 'angel numbers'GemBird82going to write about numbers...22 is a number related to Uranusso is 4so is 13so is 31so is 40it has a neutral nature, it's represented by a blind man. A blind man cannot see through the good intentions of other people, nor through harmful ones. Could indicate a youthful, naive, innocent nature, yet very adventurous. It reminds me a lot of tarot card 'The Fool' - could gembird be right or wrong? Anyway, a blind man will hardly be harmful to others, and certainly is not enterily capable to do good (or to be capable of realizing what good/bad is), because He's blind. In an even more complex context, this symbol of innocence could not see through what is being presented as 'light', when it is false light. It's a symbol of caution, not a symbol of risk. This number seems to need a lot of solar qualities. Sometimes, you have to be your own hero/heroine and rescue yourself.*~ A newborn Uranus GemBird82* I was about to go to sleep, but for some reason I felt like leaving this stuff here. ---Having born on the 29th day of the month or on the 11th, or having born on November 29th/ 11th and because of this, thinking that you are somehow cursed is big fail - Big fail because that would be giving it an almost religious connotation, numbers are numbers, it is not as easy as defining a word as "guitar", it can mean infinite things, not necessarily inherent to human beings.Some examples:11/11/1993 has the same vibration as 26, because 11 + 11 + 4 = 2629/11/2004 has the same vibration as 46 or 37 29/06/1976 has the same vibration as 49 or 31Anyway, whenever you get 11 or 29, it doesn't necessarily mean something bad, and if it does, it doesn't point to a single individual (as the person born in such date is). Because it would be impossible for a person to completely embody the immensity within a number as 21, 27, 24, 23, etc; above all possible meanings, 29 means riskRisk of falling into the trap of...ANOTHER = 29and what is... another?Well, another is something/someone that is not you or mesomething that is not us or them* The more you unlock the secrets behind it, the more harmless it is.GemBird82Risk of fall = 2+1+3+2+7+8+8+1+3+3 = 38 = 29 = 11Risk of falling = 29 = 11Forced Transmutation = 29 = 11Material Reality = 29 Illusion = 29 ---On the other hand,Awakened = 29GemBird82Oh and... I don't consider myself a numerologist, I consider myself a bird *~ Bye Astro keenHi Gembird,The thing is your interpretation of 22 can be equally relevant as the angel numbers interps. I like this - "Sometimes, you have to be your own hero/heroine and rescue yourself". That seems to be a predominant theme with me.Interpretations aside, do you believe that the repeated numbers are providing an extra message for the placement? I felt intuitively that they do.I like your 29 interpretations. An ending heralds a new beginning doesn't it?GeminiKaratThe source is my head and only a different input:As I far as I remember there is an old post of you where you said that with the sabian symbol the rising sign was determined in the old days. In my personal opinion I need something that stands out. In my case it is a repetitive pattern or an unusual number.In your case 22.22 = 44 = uranusuranus = conciousnessmiachel @22.22 could probably be the protector.You choose Michael, because you believe in angels.1414=55 = mercurymercury = messengerapollo @14.14 could probably be a more specified type of messenger.22 – 14 = 8What do you want to tell(=14) the world(=8)?Maybe things that is related to Michael(=22)?GeminiKarat quote:Originally posted by GemBird82:* The more you unlock the secrets behind it, the more harmless it is.You may not like it, but I rrrrrrrrrrrrrealy love to read your input on numbers.GemBird82@AstroI suppose I owe you an apology then, and also and explanation. Because it wasn't my interpretation, those were the words of Linda in Star Signs; anyway, I wanted to use my own words to comment about it, nothing more and nothing less. Perhaps it's just my nature. Anyway, nature asideHere's a brief extract from Star Signs quote:Number 22Submission and Caution22 is symbolised by the ancients as "a Good Man, blinded by the folly ofothers, with a knapsack on his back, full of errors." In the image heseems to offer no defence against a ferocious tiger which is about toattack him. It's a warning number of illusion and delusion. It indicatesa good person (or entity) who lives in a fools paradise; a dreamer ofdreams who awakens only when surrounded by danger, when it's often toolate. It warns of mistakes in judgment, of placing faith in those whoare not trustworthy. If 22 is the birth number, the person it representsshould exercise caution and watchfulness (since the birth number cannotbe altered) in both the career and personal matters. The karmicobligation here is to be more spiritually aggressive - to realize yourown power to change things, to prevent failure by simply ordainingsuccess. When this personal responsibility is recognized, practiced, andfinally mastered, the 22 person can be in control of events, no longerblinded by the folly of others, and will see ideas achieved and dreams realized.Atlantis: 1+4+3+1+5+4+1+3 = 22GemBird82 quote:Originally posted by GeminiKarat: You may not like it, but I rrrrrrrrrrrrrealy love to read your input on numbers.Thank you ! How could I not like it?and... oh yes, I have to mention that the one and only thing I have against biblical angels is that there are some weird events behind their "benevolent" nature. Especially in the books of Leviticus, Kings, chronicles, etc; but I wouldn't really recommend to read them. Jesus of nazareth (Yeshua ben Yosef) confronted the cast of Levi more than any other cast as Sadducees or Pharisees; I suppose it was because of the social class segmentation, which is a clear influence done by yhwh and his angels ( without mentioning their tyrannical laws and tributes that were presented as 'expiation' and divine right). How come that a source of love, creates division and war between men and finds delight in acts of violence? This is a question done for myself.Presence of angels has been recorded through time in other places as well, when angels came down from sky one day to the top of the ziggurats, and delivered King Hammurabi a thousand orders (related again, to social class segmentation, sacrifice, punishment, slavery, and absolute sumbission to angels)Some hint I've got so far is that if we lexigram the word Levi, we get: vile veil evil EL live eli eNlil(?)Again, these are just my thoughts and I cannot close my eyes and show indifference to these events, something inside me tells me that this matters greatly, but I don't deny any existence or positive influence done by angelic beings. However, angels from semitic texts and their demiurgic leader... well, you already know what I think, especially because of the agressive marketing done by church in times of the renaissance to modify the way they are perceived.Astro keen@ GeminiKarat, Very interesting! Thanks for your interpretations . Incidentally, Apollo sextiles Mercury at 14 Libra. in the 3rd house! Indeed, it may be that I need to have a messenger role and make Michael's messages known.@ Gembird, I agree that the biblical accounts of power hungry "angels" were hardly angelic. It may be that biblical angels were anybody or anything not of this world. One could speculate that they were ETs who were directing humans to do their bid, or dark energies masquerading as angels, or simply stories created by power hungry priests.I mentioned that I had received channelled messages from the Archangel Michael (I am not Christian so had to read up on Archangels). These were delivered by someone very trustworthy, an academic who herself took a long time to be convinced of the authenticity of the source. The content of the messages was another factor that made them wholly believable. They encouraged one to be critical and questioning of traditional 'truths' and spoke of a loving, compassionate, understanding God/Universal soul. Btw, I posted one of the messages here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004856.html RandallInteresting thread!GeminiKarat quote:@ GemBird82:You are welcome. Religion has always been and will always be represented by those who participate in it. I do not belong to any group. I like Odin and the nature, but I would not want to run naked in the forest. I do like angels, but I do not want to run into a church either. I am here on earth and I am fine.Numbers are not that long on earth and the importance will increase. I only like numbers. Therefore I always like any "new" input.GeminiKarat quote:@ Astro keen:I have read your article. Silence is missing in these days. I have Tinnitus, but it is not that loud as it used to be. The first thing is that you do not hear anymore and will listen more to your inner voice. As I live in the countryside I learn to hear the voice of the nature again. Nothing is silent whenever I choose silence. It is definitely difficult to write or say things when nobody is listening. Sometimes my name is nobody .
Some asteroids in my natal strike me as having a particular resonance and I was struck by how their placements had repeated numbers or number patterns. For example, I have the following:
St. Michel - 22.22 (4th house)Skuld - 13.13Apollo - 14.14 Sag - at the GA (5th house )Thekla - 22.22.22Aphrodite - 16.16 (now sure if this is significant though)
There are others but I would have to investigate further - look into the seconds count as well. I'm not sure how some of the above would look if seconds were included.
Has anyone noticed this in their placements?
St. Michel - 22.22 conjunct Ambrosia at 22.11Skuld - 13.13Apollo - 14.14 Sag Thekla - 22.22
I rounded up when the seconds were 30 or more, while I left the minutes number as it was when the seconds were between 0 to 29. This maintains the half way mark which we use for decimal numbers, where 50 plus means rounding up. I hope that makes sense.
I also have this:Euphemia 23.22.23And my bf has Reiki at 12.21.21
It is interesting to note that these number patterns apply to spiritual asteroids, saints and angels. So I'm becoming convinced that the numbers have a significance.
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:It is interesting to note that these number patterns apply to spiritual asteroids, saints and angels. So I'm becoming convinced that the numbers have a significance.
I will second that as it is my experience as well.My ateroid Karma is 1*01' away from asteroid spirit.Doreen Virtue says:101
This number signifies fundamental spiritual teachings: As you “let go and let God,” your thoughts automatically become more positive, and this elevated vibration attracts all good things into your life.
I find it as an good advice on how to work on this opposition.
Apart from that you have the Sabian symbols ordered by numbers and some degrees in the zodiac are replaced by a name. e.g. anarchic degree.
The degree of influence of the number on the planet is unknown to me, but it is definitely worth to have a look at it.
For example, Saint Michael is on 22.22. He has been important in my life as I have had channelled messages for several years thru a friend.
Now 22 is meant to be a MASTER NUMBER. "Angel Number 22 encourages you to work diligently on your spiritual life path and soul purpose.' Now who could argue with that! Certainly that is what the channelled messages were about.
Let's look at Apollo at 14.14 at the GA. - According to the site - http://sacredscribesangelnumbers.blogspot.com.au/2013/12/angel-number-1414.html, Angel Number 1414 is a reminder to maintain a positive attitude and optimistic outlook to attract positive energies. Again generally good advice which goes with the meaning of Apollo, a very positive asteroid, that too at the GA. Perhaps being optimistic is of particular importance and will set into motion the potentials contained therein. One can but speculate .
22 is a number related to Uranusso is 4so is 13so is 31so is 40
it has a neutral nature, it's represented by a blind man. A blind man cannot see through the good intentions of other people, nor through harmful ones. Could indicate a youthful, naive, innocent nature, yet very adventurous. It reminds me a lot of tarot card 'The Fool' - could gembird be right or wrong?
Anyway, a blind man will hardly be harmful to others, and certainly is not enterily capable to do good (or to be capable of realizing what good/bad is), because He's blind. In an even more complex context, this symbol of innocence could not see through what is being presented as 'light', when it is false light. It's a symbol of caution, not a symbol of risk. This number seems to need a lot of solar qualities. Sometimes, you have to be your own hero/heroine and rescue yourself.
*~ A newborn Uranus
Having born on the 29th day of the month or on the 11th, or having born on November 29th/ 11th and because of this, thinking that you are somehow cursed is big fail - Big fail because that would be giving it an almost religious connotation, numbers are numbers, it is not as easy as defining a word as "guitar", it can mean infinite things, not necessarily inherent to human beings.
Some examples:11/11/1993 has the same vibration as 26, because 11 + 11 + 4 = 2629/11/2004 has the same vibration as 46 or 37 29/06/1976 has the same vibration as 49 or 31
Anyway, whenever you get 11 or 29, it doesn't necessarily mean something bad, and if it does, it doesn't point to a single individual (as the person born in such date is). Because it would be impossible for a person to completely embody the immensity within a number as 21, 27, 24, 23, etc; above all possible meanings, 29 means riskRisk of falling into the trap of...
ANOTHER = 29
and what is... another?Well, another is something/someone that is not you or mesomething that is not us or them
* The more you unlock the secrets behind it, the more harmless it is.
Material Reality = 29 Illusion = 29 ---
On the other hand,
Awakened = 29
The thing is your interpretation of 22 can be equally relevant as the angel numbers interps.
I like this - "Sometimes, you have to be your own hero/heroine and rescue yourself". That seems to be a predominant theme with me.
Interpretations aside, do you believe that the repeated numbers are providing an extra message for the placement? I felt intuitively that they do.
I like your 29 interpretations. An ending heralds a new beginning doesn't it?
1414=55 = mercurymercury = messengerapollo @14.14 could probably be a more specified type of messenger.
22 – 14 = 8What do you want to tell(=14) the world(=8)?Maybe things that is related to Michael(=22)?
quote:Originally posted by GemBird82:* The more you unlock the secrets behind it, the more harmless it is.
You may not like it, but I rrrrrrrrrrrrrealy love to read your input on numbers.
quote:Number 22Submission and Caution22 is symbolised by the ancients as "a Good Man, blinded by the folly ofothers, with a knapsack on his back, full of errors." In the image heseems to offer no defence against a ferocious tiger which is about toattack him. It's a warning number of illusion and delusion. It indicatesa good person (or entity) who lives in a fools paradise; a dreamer ofdreams who awakens only when surrounded by danger, when it's often toolate. It warns of mistakes in judgment, of placing faith in those whoare not trustworthy. If 22 is the birth number, the person it representsshould exercise caution and watchfulness (since the birth number cannotbe altered) in both the career and personal matters. The karmicobligation here is to be more spiritually aggressive - to realize yourown power to change things, to prevent failure by simply ordainingsuccess. When this personal responsibility is recognized, practiced, andfinally mastered, the 22 person can be in control of events, no longerblinded by the folly of others, and will see ideas achieved and dreams realized.
Submission and Caution
22 is symbolised by the ancients as "a Good Man, blinded by the folly ofothers, with a knapsack on his back, full of errors." In the image heseems to offer no defence against a ferocious tiger which is about toattack him. It's a warning number of illusion and delusion. It indicatesa good person (or entity) who lives in a fools paradise; a dreamer ofdreams who awakens only when surrounded by danger, when it's often toolate. It warns of mistakes in judgment, of placing faith in those whoare not trustworthy. If 22 is the birth number, the person it representsshould exercise caution and watchfulness (since the birth number cannotbe altered) in both the career and personal matters. The karmicobligation here is to be more spiritually aggressive - to realize yourown power to change things, to prevent failure by simply ordainingsuccess. When this personal responsibility is recognized, practiced, andfinally mastered, the 22 person can be in control of events, no longerblinded by the folly of others, and will see ideas achieved and dreams realized.
Atlantis: 1+4+3+1+5+4+1+3 = 22
quote:Originally posted by GeminiKarat: You may not like it, but I rrrrrrrrrrrrrealy love to read your input on numbers.
and... oh yes, I have to mention that the one and only thing I have against biblical angels is that there are some weird events behind their "benevolent" nature. Especially in the books of Leviticus, Kings, chronicles, etc; but I wouldn't really recommend to read them.
Jesus of nazareth (Yeshua ben Yosef) confronted the cast of Levi more than any other cast as Sadducees or Pharisees; I suppose it was because of the social class segmentation, which is a clear influence done by yhwh and his angels ( without mentioning their tyrannical laws and tributes that were presented as 'expiation' and divine right). How come that a source of love, creates division and war between men and finds delight in acts of violence? This is a question done for myself.
Presence of angels has been recorded through time in other places as well, when angels came down from sky one day to the top of the ziggurats, and delivered King Hammurabi a thousand orders (related again, to social class segmentation, sacrifice, punishment, slavery, and absolute sumbission to angels)
Some hint I've got so far is that if we lexigram the word Levi, we get: vile veil evil EL live eli eNlil(?)
Again, these are just my thoughts and I cannot close my eyes and show indifference to these events, something inside me tells me that this matters greatly, but I don't deny any existence or positive influence done by angelic beings. However, angels from semitic texts and their demiurgic leader... well, you already know what I think, especially because of the agressive marketing done by church in times of the renaissance to modify the way they are perceived.
@ Gembird, I agree that the biblical accounts of power hungry "angels" were hardly angelic. It may be that biblical angels were anybody or anything not of this world. One could speculate that they were ETs who were directing humans to do their bid, or dark energies masquerading as angels, or simply stories created by power hungry priests.
I mentioned that I had received channelled messages from the Archangel Michael (I am not Christian so had to read up on Archangels). These were delivered by someone very trustworthy, an academic who herself took a long time to be convinced of the authenticity of the source. The content of the messages was another factor that made them wholly believable. They encouraged one to be critical and questioning of traditional 'truths' and spoke of a loving, compassionate, understanding God/Universal soul.
Btw, I posted one of the messages here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004856.html
quote:@ GemBird82:
You are welcome. Religion has always been and will always be represented by those who participate in it. I do not belong to any group. I like Odin and the nature, but I would not want to run naked in the forest. I do like angels, but I do not want to run into a church either. I am here on earth and I am fine.
Numbers are not that long on earth and the importance will increase. I only like numbers. Therefore I always like any "new" input.
quote:@ Astro keen:
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